tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22576594.post114134091959037844..comments2024-02-08T07:33:49.907-08:00Comments on Re-Imagineering: Restoring Walt Disney’s Disneyland: The Golden Horseshoe RevueMr Bankshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12952506736745891323noreply@blogger.comBlogger47125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22576594.post-80906396383983467892013-08-20T09:42:45.402-07:002013-08-20T09:42:45.402-07:00I'm not sure how much of Disney's changes ...I'm not sure how much of Disney's changes are based on PC. I think they're just saving money. The Golden HS cast was highly trained, cost a bunch and the theater didn't hold that many guests. Moreover, it didn't make money on it's shows. Now, they've eliminated the expensive cast and turned the place into a fast food restaurant. Walt was not a worshipper of money. But it was pretty slick thinking from the money-loving Eisner. <br /><br />As another case to prove my point, take the WDW Main Street penny arcade. No one can say that it was not politically correct. However, it too is gone. And why? Because its elimination enabled Eisner to make a continuous store from the Plaza to town square, which guests could walk through when leaving. Prior to that, they wouldn't enter the store until after the penny arcade. Eisner even closed the street between the right hand shops to create one continuous path. And guess what happens when you lead people through a store. That's right! You're very smart! They buy more stuff! <br /><br />Walt was NOT all about money. He was about hospitality. His was a labor of love. But Eisner's was a labor of the love of money, and he ought to be ashamed for degrading the lifetime work and achievement of Walter Elias Disney.<br /><br />I hope that one day, the Disney company will restore some of the damage that occurred during "King Eisner's" reign.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22576594.post-14056368852950210512012-08-30T18:23:28.538-07:002012-08-30T18:23:28.538-07:00Great article, for those of you who want to celebr...Great article, for those of you who want to celebrate and share memories, please check out the Facebook page for the Revue! <br /><br />https://www.facebook.com/TheGoldenHorseshoeRevueAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22576594.post-61590415975796983482010-05-26T21:54:58.568-07:002010-05-26T21:54:58.568-07:00It's not blaming Disney for political correctn...It's not blaming Disney for political correctness; it's blaming the management for going from having a vision and a plan to becoming just another theme park. The biggest draw of the Disney parks is that they are THEME parks, not AMUSEMENT parksMarkhttp://costumeshorizon.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22576594.post-65536962658463357612008-05-01T14:03:00.000-07:002008-05-01T14:03:00.000-07:00As far as I'm concerned, I would have LOVED to see...As far as I'm concerned, I would have LOVED to see the old "Slue Foot Sue" show. It closed right before I visited Disneyland for the first time. I love watching it on DVD, though, and have high hopes that, someday, it will return. As with anything else (movies, songs, TV shows, etc.), if you are that easily offended...don't watch the show. You can't, and shouldn't have to, please everyone all the time. What would images of the "old West" be without Can-Can dancers and gun fights? What a whimsical experience to be right there in the audience...after all, isn't that what Frontierland is supposed to be about? I'm only in my 20s and even I can appreciate the loss of this truly remarkable, fun, and again, whimsical show! My fingers are crossed that I will be able to see a show like that at Disneyland in the future...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22576594.post-1423461836112361702008-01-06T09:48:00.000-08:002008-01-06T09:48:00.000-08:00Did you know that On March 29th 2008. There is a G...Did you know that On March 29th 2008. There is a Golden Horseshoe Celebration with many past Disneyland Golden Horseshoe cast.<BR/>Wally Boag & Betty Taylor will be there. Those who are scheduled to perform are: Dick Hardwick, Dana Daniels, Jim Adams, Kirk Wally, Teri Robison, The Can Can girls, MC for the night John Eden, and Host Carlene Thie.<BR/>Its a Dinner & show, with many Disney VIPS and past Disney Legends attending!<BR/><BR/>Check it out >><BR/>www.thegoldenhorseshoerevue.com<BR/><BR/>or <BR/>www.apepenpublishing.com<BR/><BR/>www.the-magic-makers.comAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22576594.post-431362019457546412007-08-09T14:57:00.000-07:002007-08-09T14:57:00.000-07:00This was my favorite place to go while in Disneyla...This was my favorite place to go while in Disneyland - I'm heartbroken to hear of its demise! I practially grew up in Disneyland and I never missed a show once in the park. There was never anything that wasn't wholesome at Disneyland so what is the world is there to be PC about?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22576594.post-709696946035790172007-06-20T22:14:00.000-07:002007-06-20T22:14:00.000-07:00The original Golden Horseshoe Revue was a fantasti...The original Golden Horseshoe Revue was a fantastic show and I remember it well seeing it for the first time in 1961. Today, while the Billy Hill and the Hillbillies show is entertaining, I have one big problem with it; it isn't themed for Frontierland. The old frontier was the unsettled territory west of the Missisippi River. "Hillbillies" are mountain folk living in Arkansas, Tennessee, etc. Moreover, I just saw the 'Billies June 13th and the first ten minutes of the show was filled with '50s (and that's 1950s not 1850s!) music complete with Elvis impersonations! Not appropriately themed for the Frontierland era of 1870. The Billy Hill show would be a much better fit in Critter Country. The "Variety Show" with Hal Ratcliff and Dana Daniels was a very funny show and properly themed for Frontierland (Dana actually performed in the original GHR show in the 1980s). However, when the original Billy troupe was split up to form two separate casts there was not enough stage time available in a week for all the 'Billies so the variety show was ended. I was very sad to see Hal and Dana go. Recently, the menu at the Golden Horseshoe has changed too. Offered up for your 'wild west' appetite are deep fried finger foods (chicken tenders) and fish & chips. What on Earth are the Disney minds thinking? You'd think at the very least they'd offer Buffalo Wings! :>) As of late, there has been some gun play returning to Frontierland so at least some of the "wild" has come back into the old west. Jason BoyeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22576594.post-1157060784042530642006-08-31T14:46:00.000-07:002006-08-31T14:46:00.000-07:00I hope the Disney theme parks don't do too much mo...I hope the Disney theme parks don't do too much more, if at all, with any new cartoon characters, the ones that aren't the originals: Mickey, Cinderella and their friends. I don't like the one-eyed green monsters and their ilk! Having 'Lilo and Stitch' as a Tomorrowland attraction at Disney World is not appealing to me. Why can't they revamp one of the space rides? I really hope they don't change the 'space look' of Tomorrowland and take away the feel that it's a SPACE CENTER. I would like to see it return to more of an 'edu-tainment' theme as well as bring back a space ride simulation and possibly the airline simulation. The space ride could be a simulation of the space shuttle. There is so much they could do at Tomorrowland like this. And the other 'edu-tainment' I would love to see continue is the 360 Circle Vision Theater.KChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09959554143469833360noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22576594.post-1157060629524983052006-08-31T14:43:00.000-07:002006-08-31T14:43:00.000-07:00I hope that the Disney theme parks don't go much f...I hope that the Disney theme parks don't go much further, if at all, with the 'comic book' theme. To illustrate, having 'Lilo and Stitch' as a Tomorrowland attraction at Disney World is not appealing to me. Why can't they revamp one of the space rides? I really hope they don't change the 'space look' of Tomorrowland and take away the feel that it's a SPACE CENTER. I would like to see it return to more of an 'edu-tainment' theme as well as bring back a space ride simulation and possibly the airline simulation. The space ride could be a simulation of the space shuttle. There is so much they could do at Tomorrowland like this. And the other 'edu-tainment' I would love to see continue is the 360 Circle Vision theater.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22576594.post-1151202278055995712006-06-24T19:24:00.000-07:002006-06-24T19:24:00.000-07:00I loved the Golden Horseshoe Revue when I was a ki...I loved the Golden Horseshoe Revue when I was a kid, and really wanted to be one of the can-can girls. I know that my kids would love to see it, so I disagree with the people that say it wouldn't be interesting to today's kids. <BR/><BR/>I also hated it when they changed the "wenches" in Pirates and all the other little details that were "offensive". If you don't like it, don't go! I've been going to Disneyland all my life (at least once a year for the first 18 years of it) and have loved every minute, no visit is ever the same...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22576594.post-1143182751210213872006-03-23T22:45:00.000-08:002006-03-23T22:45:00.000-08:00I agree with you merlin.the original story should ...I agree with you merlin.<BR/><BR/>the original story should be put back. <BR/><BR/>political correctness does not belong in disneyland. if there are rides and or attractions that offend anyone,<BR/><BR/>TOUGH!!!!!!! those who are or would be offended by such entertainment I say this: <BR/><BR/>GROW A BACKBONE!!!! QUIT YOUR WHINING.<BR/><BR/>besides, political correctness is a violation of civil rights anyway. pc basically is the government (or other groups/persons) telling others what they can say cant say can do cant do.<BR/><BR/>IF I RECALL I THOUGHT WE LIVE IN A FREE COUNTRY.<BR/><BR/>FREEDOMS AND RIGHTS CANNOT, I REPEAT THAT LAST WORD BECAUSE IT SOUNDS VERRRRRRRY IMPORTANT, CANNOT BE TAKEN AWAY FROM US.<BR/><BR/>AND THE PURSUIT TO LIFE LIBERTY AND THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS IS ONE OF THOSE RIGHTS.<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>SOOOOOOOOO, DONT YOU THINK ITS JUUUUUUUUST ABOUT TIME TO PUT AN END TO POLITICAL CORRECTNESS?????????????Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22576594.post-1143142150188116692006-03-23T11:29:00.000-08:002006-03-23T11:29:00.000-08:00Yeah and don't forget about the mermaids at the su...Yeah and don't forget about the mermaids at the submarine voyage!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22576594.post-1141669717405482982006-03-06T10:28:00.000-08:002006-03-06T10:28:00.000-08:00I love Billy Hill and the Hillbillies when it's th...I love Billy Hill and the Hillbillies when it's the right cast, but I do see your point. The old Golden Horseshoe Revue was a classic. It would be nice to get to see it again... or I guess this many years later, at least something like it.S.T. Lewishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13677349158007132249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22576594.post-1141667665949864662006-03-06T09:54:00.000-08:002006-03-06T09:54:00.000-08:00In my opinion, it would be insane to bring back th...In my opinion, it would be insane to bring back the Golden Horseshoe Revue in it's original form. Why? The cost of it for the amount of guests it can serve simple isn't worth an investment.<BR/><BR/>But what about closing the GHR building for a certain time every day to do dinner show performances? Perhaps two performances per day, and they would be an hour long shows. As someone mentioned, the Hoop De Doo Revue in Disney World is much like this -- and you have to go out of the parks and pay to see it. Yet many, many people do and it is always sold out. Keep the building open throughout the day as a regular building (Ice Cream Parlor with the Billy Hill show or whatever) and then close it at 5:30 to get ready for a 6:00 and 7:00 show. Maybe even an 8:00 and 9:00 show. Charge for the tickets. If people in Flordia are willing to go through the trouble of leaving the park they are in to travel and pay for the Hoop De Doo Revue, they should be happy to pay for it at Disneyland in the park.<BR/><BR/>To make the park more interactive and on a budget, what about tossing more street performers in the streets at regular although unannounced intervals. At Six Flags Great America, there is a "rainmaker" show where a performer in period costume as a con man comes out and tries to sell to the audience that he can make it rain. After a spirited amount of time, the show climaxes with making it "rain" through a sort of sprinkler system. It is a fun show to watch, requires only one or two people to control and really enhances that area of the park. Putting multiple attractions like this in at the various lands would be cheap and could really immerse people. Besides that, it is like seeing a whole different attraction without realizing it is there.<BR/><BR/>Finally, while I don't believe that Six Flags capitalizes on it, this would be another great way to get some goods sold. If a similiar show was done, perhaps after the con man successfully makes it rain, he can open his cart with his assistant to sell "elixirs, beverages and more." This could then become a specialized stand for a short period of time while people jumped in line for a special drink or something from the cart. Not just is it cheap, but the sales afterwards could easily pay for the performers.<BR/><BR/>Obviously, this wouldn't work in all cases, but short themed shows like this in each land would be very interesting and fun. How about an alien landing in Tomorrowland, walking around looking for "the leader" and then making a speech to Mickey Mouse, who he has incorrectly identified as the leader of the world? Maybe someone who claims to be able to speak to the spirits near the Haunted Mansion? A pirate duel near Pirates of the Carribean? An Uncle Remus-like character telling stories near Splash Mountain (maybe not politically correct, but done properly could be very nice)? There are tons of things that could be thought of to interact with the attractions nearby and would take minimal (1-3) cast members to pull off. At an extra couple thousand dollars a day cost to the parks, imagine the greatly increased Guest experiences that this would bring.<BR/><BR/>Finally, don't advertise these mini-shows. Let the magic in them be that they are just 'part of the park,' not things that were created for Guests to add to their check-off lists. Make them a surprise, so Guests have the feeling whether they have visited the park once or a million times that they don't know exactly what will be around the corner. And for gosh's sake, unless it is references, please don't put the Disney characters in them.<BR/><BR/>I wouldn't spent much time worrying about the Horseshoe Revue. Yes, it was wonderful, but will be nearly impossible to recreate exactly how it was, and changing shoes like it on a regular basis will only open more of the magic, in my opinion.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22576594.post-1141605983837523732006-03-05T16:46:00.000-08:002006-03-05T16:46:00.000-08:00>>If this is revived, why not bring back the silen...<I>>>If this is revived, why not bring back the silent movies on Main Street?<<<BR/><BR/>We still have them at Disneyland, thank goodness! I hope they never leave (though a nice seated sceening room would be nice). </I><BR/><BR/>Are we talking about the theatre that shows the old B&W Mickey cartoons? Because, if so, that was one of my big frustrations when I was at Disneyland back in 2002. I just couldn't understand what they were thinking when they set that room up. Six screens running simulaneously means you can't have the sound, so these talking cartoons are played as silent films. Plus, since they all have different lengths, once one finished you would have to wait for a minute before another one started - unless you don't mind coming into a half-completed cartoon.<BR/><BR/>They should either gut the room and turn it into a proper cinema showing the six cartoons (with sound) one after the other, or (if they don't want to go to too much expense) at least have each screen showing all six cartoons one after the other (staggering the start times), so you can just select one screen and sit there watching all the cartoons.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22576594.post-1141578132252203742006-03-05T09:02:00.000-08:002006-03-05T09:02:00.000-08:00Ultimately, whether this particular show is revive...Ultimately, whether this particular show is revived or not, the more relevant point is that the Disney parks are at their best when they are creating a fully-immersive experience, whether that experience is the American West of the 1800's, a small-town's Main Street from the 1900's, or a 1930's hotel with a wonky elevator. All the subtle and not-so-subtle details within that experience either draw you deeper into the experience or take you out of it.<BR/><BR/>Whether or not Woody's Roundup was a good show, it is out of step with the American West. By its own lore, "Woody's Roundup" was something you'd find on a 1950's television set, not west of the Mississippi at least a full century earlier. What you would find and what we would expect to find are things like saloons, madams, and can-can girls. All the "political correctness" in the world won't change that.<BR/><BR/>I would like to add that, beyond just this post, I am encouraged that so many other posts on this blog all speak to that same theme: Disney should be an immersive experience. <A HREF="http://imagineerebirth.blogspot.com/2006/03/cutting-line.html" REL="nofollow">Standing in line</A> should be just as much a part of the experience as the ride itself. Technology should be used to create these experiences and to <I>tell stories</I>, so creating technology and creating stories <A HREF="http://imagineerebirth.blogspot.com/2006/03/result-of-research-and-development.html" REL="nofollow">are not and should not be seperate processes</A>. <A HREF="http://imagineerebirth.blogspot.com/2006/02/when-tail-wags-dog-er-mouse.html" REL="nofollow">Properly maintaining</A> an exprience is just as vital to its lasting impact as creating it in the first place. <A HREF="http://imagineerebirth.blogspot.com/2006/02/synergy-shmymergy.html" REL="nofollow">Synergy</A> might be great when it works, but permanently tossing a cartoon character into a theme that <I>almost</I> fits does not.<BR/><BR/>There's so much more, but it all comes back to the main point that the changes that are most needed are to more clearly define the experiences being created and then to once-again create those experiences using <A HREF="http://imagineerebirth.blogspot.com/2006/03/finding-walts-dca.html" REL="nofollow">old lessons</A>, new technology, better maintenance, and an increased attention to detail.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22576594.post-1141538048857258872006-03-04T21:54:00.000-08:002006-03-04T21:54:00.000-08:00The audience didnt demand it. The Suits who took ...The audience didnt demand it. The Suits who took over Disney made all the PC changes because they think Disney is only appealing to kids ages 3-11.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22576594.post-1141529273888987762006-03-04T19:27:00.000-08:002006-03-04T19:27:00.000-08:00It's interesting to note that the Golden Horseshoe...It's interesting to note that the Golden Horseshoe was Walt Disney's favorite attraction, and I would like to see the revue return in some form, as well. A saloon just isn't a saloon without Can-Can dancers.<BR/><BR/>I would want a new revue to be more creative and unique, though. There is the potential to include Pecos Bill and his tall-tale friends (Slue Foot Sue; Paul Bunyan; Johnny Appleseed; etc.) in a show that is larger and more whimsical in scope. For example, the revue may not be a revue at all, but rather the starting point for a narrative-based stage play that is set in a saloon and that may involve the audience.<BR/><BR/>Disney could also make the Golden Horseshoe into more of a dinner show, if capacity is an issue.Pragmatic Idealisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04255511952763116962noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22576594.post-1141522931748321172006-03-04T17:42:00.000-08:002006-03-04T17:42:00.000-08:00>>They should only return if solely for achronisti...>>They should only return if solely for achronistic reasons, but from looking at the other comments on this post, some people probably don't understand the excessiveness of misogyny and objectification in this country.<<<BR/><BR/>Have you seen what the guests are wearing to the parks or what's on reality shows and MTV today? <BR/><BR/>...How are fully clothed can-can girls worse? <BR/><BR/>At least they are dancing and demonstrating a lost artform! - - And not singing about having "junk in their trunk" like on plain old commercial TV!<BR/><BR/>Your argument is from the 1970's!Merlin Joneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13397520005969644808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22576594.post-1141503286357298572006-03-04T12:14:00.000-08:002006-03-04T12:14:00.000-08:00I have to agree that the two reasons why the Golde...I have to agree that the two reasons why the Golden Horseshoe Review went were the cost and the limits of the venue.<BR/><BR/>You had not only the cast, but the band and the stagehands as well. All very good but all very pricey. And part of the reason why there were no nightime shows. You would have needed a full second cast, band and crew for another 8 hours<BR/><BR/>And the venue? Nice but never really enough seats. I can't tell you the number of times walking by when the "All Seats Gone For Today" sing was up out front before noon.<BR/><BR/>Would I like to see it come back? Sure, but realistically it would have to be an extra cost show just to break even.Roger Coltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06878516361163207149noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22576594.post-1141494584409041282006-03-04T09:49:00.000-08:002006-03-04T09:49:00.000-08:00I can say that Disney's entertainment employers mi...I can say that Disney's entertainment employers might imply that some executives do not want to hire more performers for the Golden Horseshoe. The Billy Hill show actors are recycled in the outdoor show in front of the Horseshoe (usually involving comedians from DCA's D.U.H.). It probably boils down to efficiency for the company - more "bang" for Disney's buck. I can't say I care too much about what show takes place inside the theater, but I am hesitant to support the return of can-can girls. They should only return if solely for achronistic reasons, but from looking at the other comments on this post, some people probably don't understand the excessiveness of misogyny and objectification in this country.Benhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05191952523950611629noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22576594.post-1141469342955061442006-03-04T02:49:00.000-08:002006-03-04T02:49:00.000-08:00Bring back the golden Horseshoe Revue, bring back ...Bring back the golden Horseshoe Revue, bring back the Tahitian Terrace, bring back the ability to live for a few brief moments in another time or another world.<BR/><BR/>Billy Hill and Co are great, but take them outside as streetmousephere.<BR/><BR/>At least DL has a semi decent show. WDW is full of rubberheads and DLP does not have a show at all, but a character buffet restaurant. Bad show.<BR/><BR/>The Disney theme park experience was about just that, experience. GHR, TT and all the shows, streetmousephere bring as much to the experience as any attraction, if not more.<BR/><BR/>Add cleanliness to the list of things to be restored.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22576594.post-1141427229678153782006-03-03T15:07:00.000-08:002006-03-03T15:07:00.000-08:00Right On anonymous. Another ride of D quality perh...Right On anonymous. Another ride of D quality perhaps a Woody & Jesse ride. Billy Hill is certainly no review, the show is stale and needs to be replaced soom, perhaps with the closure and revamping of the Shoe the boys in dungrees will get the bootAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22576594.post-1141427071595723552006-03-03T15:04:00.000-08:002006-03-03T15:04:00.000-08:00It would be nice to have Frontierland return to th...It would be nice to have Frontierland return to the glory days of the wild west. Returning the Golden Horseshoe show back would be step in the correct direction. The Billy Hill show , although cute does not serve up the bill. They would be better in Critter Country performing . What is happening now is that group has a large amount of groupies that sort of camp out and see all the shows all day long. Leaving little space for day trippers and first time visitors. The show gets old unless they keep updating the numbers . People have to stand in lines during peek holiday times only to have allseats saved for other Billy Fanatics. Frontierland could use another ride tht is if marketing would givr up the Big Thunder ranch area (that is very under used.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22576594.post-1141422468332868082006-03-03T13:47:00.000-08:002006-03-03T13:47:00.000-08:00>>If this is revived, why not bring back the silen...>>If this is revived, why not bring back the silent movies on Main Street?<<<BR/><BR/>We still have them at Disneyland, thank goodness! I hope they never leave (though a nice seated sceening room would be nice).Merlin Joneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13397520005969644808noreply@blogger.com