tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22576594.post9076702620341812760..comments2024-02-08T07:33:49.907-08:00Comments on Re-Imagineering: There's so much that we share...Mr Bankshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12952506736745891323noreply@blogger.comBlogger85125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22576594.post-73009264306695617832010-05-03T22:25:31.678-07:002010-05-03T22:25:31.678-07:00I have been visiting various blogs for my term pap...I have been visiting various blogs for my term papers writing research. I have found your blog to be quite useful. Keep updating your blog with valuable information... RegardsTerm Papershttp://www.usatermpapers.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22576594.post-75804589515411637652008-04-04T18:36:00.000-07:002008-04-04T18:36:00.000-07:00Maybe IASM will end up being the place that all bu...Maybe IASM will end up being the place that all burned out Disney Characters retire to lose the remainder of their popularity and die. It could be a kind of "Stepford" meets "Arkham Asylum" for characters.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22576594.post-52938345816400302092008-03-26T19:49:00.000-07:002008-03-26T19:49:00.000-07:00"Not Done Living" on Snopes.com had this nifty sug..."Not Done Living" on Snopes.com had this nifty suggestion:<BR/><BR/>"They might as well change the name to 'Its a Small Animal Farm' where we are all equal, but some of us are more equal than others.<BR/><BR/>Exactly.theatremanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04803823338652745012noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22576594.post-88243058622466747322008-03-26T09:37:00.000-07:002008-03-26T09:37:00.000-07:00PUBLICITY STUNT? Has anybody considered that Disne...PUBLICITY STUNT? <BR/><BR/>Has anybody considered that Disney is doing this with the intention of upsetting the diehard fans? <BR/><BR/>Why? Because it's all over the message boards! It's made it into the Los Angeles Times! It's all free publicity. <BR/><BR/>Isn't it possible that they will aggravate the purists enough that we start giving the attraction free publicity?<BR/><BR/>Let's face it, if these changes are made, there will be thousands of people flocking to "small world" just so they can see what all the commotion was all about - whether they agree or not. I wouldn't be surprised if the madder we get, the more they laugh. <BR/><BR/>I am still not convinced that the first major Pirates makeover (when they supposedly made it more "politically correct" by adding food scenes yet still leaving the "buy a bride" scene) was not done to stir up publicity, which it did.<BR/><BR/>Any idiot would know that making major changes to a storyline or theme of a classic attraction will create a tremendous stir and will definitely upset many without necessarily bringing in more fans in the long run. <BR/><BR/>But, is it worth it to upset the diehard fans? Won't we still buy our annual passes and return to the park? Will it hurt them in any way? Probably not. Will it get them amazing publicity? Yes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22576594.post-5113863053490981202008-03-25T21:02:00.000-07:002008-03-25T21:02:00.000-07:00Does anyone know who suggested the changes in the ...Does anyone know who suggested the changes in the first place? It must be Hasbro!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22576594.post-996483205972266522008-03-25T14:34:00.000-07:002008-03-25T14:34:00.000-07:00"for all intense and purposes" should be "for all ..."for all intense and purposes" should be "for all inten<I>ts</I> and purposes."<BR/><BR/>Signed,<BR/><BR/>The Grammar Guy (who only bothers to correct about 1/100th of all the grammatical errors he constantly sees)ChristianZhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10926523379961771939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22576594.post-48937008937453681842008-03-25T10:23:00.000-07:002008-03-25T10:23:00.000-07:00"It's a beautiful and moral coming-of-age story, b..."It's a beautiful and moral coming-of-age story, but my point stands: it takes place in the animal world where force rather than civil discourse rules."<BR/><BR/>That's still not a correct summarization of the story. Simba attempted civil discourse to remove a pretender from the throne (and one who ruled only for selfish motives) and only escalated the force as necessary. When the threat was removed the kingdom was once again ruled without means of force. I could give a more detailed explanation or you could watch the movie again.ChristianZhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10926523379961771939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22576594.post-18818621436372738772008-03-25T09:17:00.000-07:002008-03-25T09:17:00.000-07:00The way the Walt Disney Company is being run, infu...The way the Walt Disney Company is being run, infuriates me. There aren't words large enough to express how much it pisses me off that they have, time and time again messed with the classics. The Disney I knew and loved as a I child is slowly fading away. They've lost the sight of every important element that made Disney so special and set it apart from every other theme park in the world. <BR/>This is such a disgrace.Whimsyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08985248314565312461noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22576594.post-49562152234385672162008-03-19T08:26:00.000-07:002008-03-19T08:26:00.000-07:00___________________Philosophy Dictionary: ethics (...___________________<BR/><B>Philosophy Dictionary: <BR/>ethics</B> <BR/>(Greek, <I>ethos</I>, character) The study of the concepts involved in practical reasoning: good, right, duty, obligation, virtue, freedom, rationality, choice.<BR/><BR/><B>Psychoanalysis Dictionary:<BR/>Ethics</B><BR/>Ethics concerns mores: human moral attitudes in general and, more specifically, rules of behavior and their justifications. This system of rules attributes values to behaviors by judging them to be good or bad according to their intrinsic moral qualities or their concrete social consequences.<BR/>___________________<BR/><BR/>We're not talking about some janitor stealing the script to the next Star Wars movie and selling it on eBay. We're not talking about security guards swiping Spider-Man costumes off the set and selling them to the highest bidder. We're talking about people who are so passionate about their craft, who care so deeply for their company, that they'll risk their jobs if there's even a glimmer of hope to see a wrong being righted. <BR/><BR/>These people are treasures; an invaluable asset that any company should be so lucky to have working for them. They could never undermine the company. They care too much for it. What they're trying to undermine, is the egos of managers who's actions are spiraling out of control. Disney doesn't realize what kind of damage is really being done, and corporate politics stands in the way of it being fixed. There's no other options for these loyal employees left, and they've been forced to endure travesty after travesty. <BR/><BR/>There has to be a breaking point, and a time to no longer remain silent. <BR/><BR/>You want to talk about ethics? You ask me who the ethical ones are. The ones who will risk everything to preserve the integrity of their company, or the ones who'll fire them because of it?Digital Jedihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02374739586203788564noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22576594.post-50926921046026241322008-03-18T17:40:00.000-07:002008-03-18T17:40:00.000-07:00I agree that it's not a good idea to badmouth your...I agree that it's not a good idea to badmouth your own company or spill info either online or otherwise. I can also see the other perspective though... I would imagine that Imagineer designers are like the rest of us industry designers: mostly freelancers... <BR/><BR/>I would bet that is why Apple secrets don't leak out, but Disney's do -- you have those employees whose company has a long term commitment to their success (Apple) and those who get hired short-term for their talent and then have to search for a job a couple of months later. I think most of us voice opinions about the company because we really do care a whole lot... it is sad that management takes these opinions as dangerous or rebellious because I don't think that is that heart behind it. <BR/><BR/>If the employees were allowed free dialogue within the company (and those opinions were considered and respected), this stuff probably wouldn't spill out quite so much, and the attractions would be better for it. You would see less changes that seemed half-baked because each project would have been allowed to incubate and be discussed fully before being constructed... Unfortunately, it is up to the directors and managers to decide that they are going to take the effort to protect and nurture their creative teams (and that means sometimes drawing the line on how much the hierarchy influences day-to-day operation). I think if they did that, they would find that their return-on-investment and product was better than expected. People come up with better solutions and ideas when given the space to explore...<BR/><BR/>P.S. yes, I am anonymous... But no, I don't design for Disney... yet...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22576594.post-8291094469543780542008-03-18T14:10:00.000-07:002008-03-18T14:10:00.000-07:00The funny thing is that those "tip" lines are usua...The funny thing is that those "tip" lines are usually used in cases of sexual harassment, corporate cover ups of gross malfeasance, embezzlement, Rats in Taco Bell, or other illegal activity. <BR/><BR/>This is worse.. It's about catching evil corporate art vandals in the act of desecrating a masterpiece with the insertion of a few choice toy Dolls. <BR/><BR/>Bring on Pellicano!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22576594.post-88590928003189832832008-03-18T09:42:00.000-07:002008-03-18T09:42:00.000-07:00> Anonymous said: "Sorry to be ‘anonymous’ but bei...<I> > Anonymous said: "Sorry to be ‘anonymous’ but being inside the mouse house it is a must."<BR/><BR/>This post is a part of the insidious nature of Disney's old style corporate politics. This "Anonymous" is violating his ethics and his contract with the company. Indeed, it could be considered a violation of the law. < </I> <BR/><BR/>I find it interesting that this post admonishing those who post anonymously was posted by "Anonymous." <BR/><BR/>Apparently "A" doesn't understand corporate America. I work in corporate America and while I’m sure our policies aren’t in line with Disney’s we do have an anonymous “tip” line where employees can voice their concerns without giving their names and/or positions so that management knows of the concern, but not from who it came. And, if as posted above, those who voiced concerns about the quality of a product were then released from their jobs, they have a vested interest in remaining anonymous…Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22576594.post-4012805676729770962008-03-18T09:24:00.000-07:002008-03-18T09:24:00.000-07:00I have to admit that violating your Confidentialit...I have to admit that violating your Confidentiality Agreement is a big deal. And the contract does not define what is damaging and what isn't. You don't talk about what you know. Practicing good ethics is a dying art in this country and spilling NDA protected info in blogs is not the right thing to do.<BR/>The post asking for spy pictures should be removed as encouraging this is an illegal practice. I get that. <BR/><BR/>However, it is also true that if you emotionally own the hearts and minds of those working for you then they will police each other. Apple seems to keep a better lid on things than Disney for sure. Why? Because the engineers believe themselves that keeping trade secrets is in the best interests of their creations success. They are drinking the "iKool Aid". From what I've been reading here, it seems that the rank and file at WDI are not behind what they are doing and feel emotionally betrayed, so they leak. It almost a sense of duty to the Disney ideal, which they prize above the risk of reprisal. No excuses, just two different cultures. <BR/><BR/>I did have to laugh when the comment was made about Imagineers going broke out in the real world.<BR/>It's true WDI is a safe haven for waste, but these guys aren't that dumb. Most the senior guys who have left run their own companies and they don't seem broke to me. Steve Kirk seems to do pretty good.<BR/><BR/>www.kirkdesigninc.comAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22576594.post-18826667761794227652008-03-18T02:12:00.000-07:002008-03-18T02:12:00.000-07:00Another quote from the Imagineering book, this tim...Another quote from the Imagineering book, this time by Marty Sklar, "You can dream, create new things, and let your imagination go. No one's going to stomp you because you came up with a strange, weird idea, because that's what your leaders expect from you."<BR/><BR/>Quick, someone draw a Small World proposal without Disney characters and give it to your leaders and see what happens.<BR/><BR/>Hey ReImagineering guys, have you ever done an update taking what's in this book and using it against WDI? If WDI is really as cutthroat as people say then I guess this book is just a bunch of propaganda.Spokkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03244298044953214810noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22576594.post-75070000259171103712008-03-18T01:59:00.000-07:002008-03-18T01:59:00.000-07:00In the book Imagineering by The Imagineers there i...In the book Imagineering by The Imagineers there is a 4-page section about It's A Small World aptly named "A Certain Style".<BR/><BR/>On page 51 there is a quote from Rolly Crump which reads, "The key to the success of It's A Small World was that in creating it, we all remained faithful to the mood and feel of Mary's design."<BR/><BR/>The book was published in 1996. I wonder what changed in 12 years.Spokkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03244298044953214810noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22576594.post-86819781123002447562008-03-18T01:43:00.000-07:002008-03-18T01:43:00.000-07:00And when WDI goes to Blogger.com and demands the I...And when WDI goes to Blogger.com and demands the IP addresses of the Imagineers who dissented and badmouthed the company they'll be told to go fornicate themselves with a large stick.<BR/><BR/>But in the unlikely occurrence that Blogger.com gives up the IP addresses Disney will find out that they all resolve to the Glendale Public Library computer lab.<BR/><BR/>"Alright, all Imagineers who have library cards are fired!"Spokkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03244298044953214810noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22576594.post-88035197991451633232008-03-18T01:07:00.000-07:002008-03-18T01:07:00.000-07:00Brian said:>>>I've known of a couple of instances ...<B>Brian said:</B><BR/>>>><I>I've known of a couple of instances where people on the "inside" of companies have posted on message boards and blogs and when they've posted things that are less than complementary - or that question the company policies - they've been asked to cease or cease work.</I><<<<BR/><BR/>Which says something rather interesting to me. Someone in the higher ups must be paying attention to these blogs, if everyone with a little insider knowledge has to post as Anonymous. If no one in charge reads blogs, well then, who would they be hiding from?<BR/>___________________<BR/><BR/><B>Anonymous said:</B><BR/>>>><I>This post is a part of the insidious nature of Disney's old style corporate politics. This "Anonymous" is violating his ethics and his contract with the company. Indeed, it could be considered a violation of the law.</I><<<<BR/><BR/>By doing what exactly? By leaking confidential information, or by speaking unfavorably about his place of employment? Last I heard the latter wasn't illegal. And, somehow, I can't fathom how sticking a bunch of new dolls, however ill-conceived, in Small World qualifies as some hush-hush, top secret project. Sounds more like a worker speaking unfavorably about his company and fearing reprisal to me.<BR/><BR/>>>><I>Now before everyone gets all high and mighty that it's for the greater good. I would say that anytime someone violates a contract entered into in good faith, it violates ethics. Anonymous should either quit Disney and own up to who they are, or sign their name anyway.</I><<<<BR/><BR/>How do you know he violated any contractual information? Unless you have some insider information of the matter, in which case, you just leaked some yourself.<BR/><BR/>>>><I>Violation of ethics is a serious problem in this country, but we are talking WDI where the backstabbing knives are well-polished.<BR/>And don't tell me if it wasn't for anonymous sources we wouldn't have a free press. We do, in the areas it is really important...keeping an eye on the government, both elected officials and bureaucrats.</I><<<<BR/><BR/>If the only place anonymous sources are of any value is in government and bureaucracy, then a Disney anonymous source shouldn't really be anything to fret about, should it? You can't have it both ways. You can't say that Disney is so important that its insiders must remain blindly loyal, and then say that anonymous sources are so important to our world that their a must in government. The most important aspects of our culture are okay to be watched, but somehow, Disney should be above that?<BR/><BR/><BR/>>>><I>I really wish Disney employees would quit using these blogs as their personal pet bullhorns and either be constructive in moving the parks forward or go into the museum business.</I><<<<BR/><BR/>A stab at Disney employees or at museums? Maybe you forget, museums are fun places, where history, knowledge and enlightenment are preserved and presented in new and exciting ways. That sounds a lot like what Disney used to be. <BR/><BR/>Besides, there's nothing nonconstructive about letting you know when you've gotten it wrong. And this Small World thing is 12 kinds of wrong. Sometimes it takes a bullhorn before anyone can get you to listen.<BR/><BR/><BR/>>>><I>I think if most of the Imagineers who secretly post here had to actually go out and do what they do for a living, like I do, they would find they have been very wasteful in their Imagineering careers, and probably go broke.</I><<<<BR/><BR/>Did you just say that if Imagineers did the same work you do, they would go broke?<BR/><BR/>>>><I>Quit crying like a bunch of spoiled brats!</I><<<<BR/><BR/>Yeah, that's what we're doing. We're crying. Anytime the world disagrees with your point of view, that part of the world is just sobbing little babies. Anytime people stand on the opposite end of your opinion on the matter, their just whiny little brats looking for attention. Anytime a group speaks out and says something is a travesty, and you don't agree, then their just nonsensical children crying their little eyes out because they have nothing better to do.<BR/><BR/>Or, you know, maybe, just maybe, <B><I>your</I></B> wrong. Maybe someone other then you has a point, and they're justified in making it. Maybe you could step outside your own personal bias for a few moments, and at the very least, try to see where they're coming from. And preferably, do so before resorting to tired, borderline insulting comments that denigrate both you and the people who read it.Digital Jedihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02374739586203788564noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22576594.post-8327372655176419842008-03-17T23:58:00.000-07:002008-03-17T23:58:00.000-07:00A top level company executive stumbles upon a hand...A top level company executive stumbles upon a handful of employees screaming, tearing their hair out, going positively apoplectic over the company's recent disregard for quality.<BR/><BR/>He fires them all.<BR/><BR/>Pardon me for not wanting to 'grow up.'Mr Bankshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12952506736745891323noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22576594.post-90793771539982515822008-03-17T23:54:00.000-07:002008-03-17T23:54:00.000-07:00If the person who spilled their guts is indeed a p...If the person who spilled their guts is indeed a person who works at WDI, and if what they said is true, it might just be an example of a morale problem at WDI.<BR/><BR/>There are ways to keep your employees quiet other than making them sign a piece of paper. If workers take pride in what they do they are probably less likely to blab.<BR/><BR/>Excuse the cliché, but management just doesn't get it.Spokkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03244298044953214810noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22576594.post-47261283843178125812008-03-17T23:09:00.000-07:002008-03-17T23:09:00.000-07:00>Quit crying like a bunch of spoiled brats!Try ser...><I>Quit crying like a bunch of spoiled brats!<</I><BR/><BR/>Try serving a decade and a half before the Mouse, creative side, Director's level or higher, then come back and preach ethics.<BR/><BR/>We'll see how your sermon sounds then.mr wigginshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05690712121710850903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22576594.post-52879467027894088652008-03-17T22:28:00.000-07:002008-03-17T22:28:00.000-07:00Anonymous said: "Sorry to be ‘anonymous’ but being...Anonymous said: "Sorry to be ‘anonymous’ but being inside the mouse house it is a must."<BR/><BR/>This post is a part of the insidious nature of Disney's old style corporate politics. This "Anonymous" is violating his ethics and his contract with the company. Indeed, it could be considered a violation of the law.<BR/><BR/>Now before everyone gets all high and mighty that it's for the greater good. I would say that anytime someone violates a contract entered into in good faith, it violates ethics. Anonymous should either quit Disney and own up to who they are, or sign their name anyway.<BR/>Violation of ethics is a serious problem in this country, but we are talking WDI where the backstabbing knives are well-polished.<BR/>And don't tell me if it wasn't for anonymous sources we wouldn't have a free press. We do, in the areas it is really important...keeping an eye on the government, both elected officials and bureaucrats.<BR/>I really wish Disney employees would quit using these blogs as their personal pet bullhorns and either be constructive in moving the parks forward or go into the museum business.<BR/>I think if most of the Imagineers who secretly post here had to actually go out and do what they do for a living, like I do, they would find they have been very wasteful in their Imagineering careers, and probably go broke.<BR/>Quit crying like a bunch of spoiled brats!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22576594.post-45959036195781881142008-03-17T16:56:00.000-07:002008-03-17T16:56:00.000-07:00> But Brian, how do you know this? I understand mo...<I> > But Brian, how do you know this? I understand most of this is rumor and speculation but I have a hard time believing several different people from several different message boards/blogs (with good track records imo) fabricated the same idea. All Im asking is how these people came across this idea? whats their source?<BR/><BR/>even a "i know a guy whos brother-in-law works for this guy who knows someone who works in central shops and he overhead a guy talking about while giving a tour to suits from HKDL" would be better than the ambiguous notion that the people writing this and other blogs are omnipotent and "just" know these things.<BR/><BR/>Im not trying to discredit these rumors at all. Im trying to lend credibility to them so that I might persuade other (more skeptical) persons into believing that something must be done to stop < </I><BR/><BR/>You're good intentions are appreciated. I would venture to guess that except for - as suggested, spy photos - anyone with first hand knowledge would be hesitant to post their names, who they got the knowledge from, etc., for fear of some reprisal. I've known of a couple of instances where people on the "inside" of companies have posted on message boards and blogs and when they've posted things that are less than complementary - or that question the company policies - they've been asked to cease or cease work.<BR/><BR/>It would be great to have first hand, inside knowledge - but I just don't think that's going to happen - if we ignore the rumors assuming that they aren't true without some concrete proof, they are liable to overtake us and before you know it, it will be A Small Disney Character World with a jumble of animated film theme music as a score.<BR/><BR/>I'm all for 100% proof and I hope someone does come up with it so it can be addressed as you suggest.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22576594.post-63220096271588029742008-03-17T15:59:00.000-07:002008-03-17T15:59:00.000-07:00It's time to kick it up a notch. We need some prod...It's time to kick it up a notch. We need some production spy photos.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22576594.post-55044723269541747452008-03-17T09:05:00.000-07:002008-03-17T09:05:00.000-07:00>>Sorry to dash everyone’s hope, (including mine),...>>Sorry to dash everyone’s hope, (including mine), regarding the Disney characters not making their way into small world, but they will be. The figures are being fabricated as I type this. <<<BR/><BR/>But Brian, how do you know this? I understand most of this is rumor and speculation but I have a hard time believing several different people from several different message boards/blogs (with good track records imo) fabricated the same idea. All Im asking is how these people came across this idea? whats their source?<BR/><BR/>even a "i know a guy whos brother-in-law works for this guy who knows someone who works in central shops and he overhead a guy talking about while giving a tour to suits from HKDL" would be better than the ambiguous notion that the people writing this and other blogs are omnipotent and "just" know these things.<BR/><BR/>Im not trying to discredit these rumors at all. Im trying to lend credibility to them so that I might persuade other (more skeptical) persons into believing that something must be done to stop this.<BR/><BR/>Ya dig?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22576594.post-35240672725566834082008-03-17T04:15:00.000-07:002008-03-17T04:15:00.000-07:00To date, I don't know of a single Re-Imagineering ...To date, I don't know of a single Re-Imagineering post that hasn't been accurate. They, in no uncertain terms, visually commented on the fall of the EPOCT wand, months before it was officially announced. So I have little doubt this isn't in the works, even though I would rejoice if they got it wrong.<BR/><BR/>That said, I don't think I'd agree with the idea that it would have been better to trash Small World altogether and start over, just to preserve the legacy of what was. I think these small changes, while grotesquely offensive, are at the very least, reversible.Digital Jedihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02374739586203788564noreply@blogger.com