tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22576594.post1324382069091323292..comments2024-02-08T07:33:49.907-08:00Comments on Re-Imagineering: One of Our Dinosaurs Is Missing!Mr Bankshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12952506736745891323noreply@blogger.comBlogger76125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22576594.post-88769812345637834282010-05-15T23:19:52.312-07:002010-05-15T23:19:52.312-07:00Interesting points at times, wouldn't it be ni...Interesting points at times, wouldn't it be nice to be able to write it all shorter?<br /><br />One man's "missing" is another man's "McGuffin". <br />The lost thing everyone wants but can't get their hands on worked for Alfred Hitchcock over and over. The same idea done different ways gave him his career. So it can't be that bad, it must be in the execution. <br /><br />BTW- When you watch Disney animated movies, notice how the same plots are recycled over and over.Dr Bitzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15292579927503536511noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22576594.post-23585743474477730382009-12-26T20:15:32.424-08:002009-12-26T20:15:32.424-08:00As I am reading all about the individuals that are...As I am reading all about the individuals that are upset because Disney is adding characters of their movies into the attractions. I feel that growing up and going to Disneyland, I used to wonder why it was called that because in the attractions, except for Fantasyland, there were no characters. Afterall, it is called Disney for a reason! I think it is a great idea to create the atmosphere of any Disney movie or add the characters into the attractions to create the Disney environment. I think the Imagineers are doing a really great job with their new ideas and making the parks a more advanced place to go. They need to keep up with the times to keep people going back today and tomorrow!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22576594.post-16513855968823006032008-04-25T00:36:00.000-07:002008-04-25T00:36:00.000-07:00this is cute BUTGreat Movie Ride!Are you suggestin...this is cute BUT<BR/><BR/>Great Movie Ride!<BR/><BR/>Are you suggesting this attraction is not completely original? I don't think for a second this attraction needs any change or should have been done differently, and btw we are not looking for the tour guide she comes back to us and it's supposed to be surprising and for most of the first-time guests it all is.Kristyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05875531992009157918noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22576594.post-28936948765081346662007-12-04T16:17:00.000-08:002007-12-04T16:17:00.000-08:00There are still glimmers of hope.Has anyone commen...There are still glimmers of hope.<BR/><BR/>Has anyone commented yet on the improvements to WDW Haunted Mansion?<BR/><BR/>I have to admit, knowing what I know now from this post, when I got on and noticed the first few changes, I got scared thinking about what kind of insane things were going to have been changed (I seriously expected to see Eddie Murphy somewhere in there).<BR/><BR/>However, I was pleasantly surprised. The changes were subtle enough to not be intrusive, but were very effective. They seemed to fill in a lot of the dead space (no pun intended) between the scenes. They were all very tasteful and very effective. The now-floating head-in-globe was a much-needed update and now looks really good.<BR/><BR/>What I did notice was that the tone of the enhancements is a lot darker than the previous overall tone in the ride. The "grim grinning ghosts" and "happy haunts" themes made them seem not so scary and evil, but just dead and loving it. These new changes added quite a bit of "evil ghosts" to the ride (e.g. the bride near all the headless photos appearing with a hatchet and some limerick talking about how she enjoys relieving her hubbies of their heads). I'm not quite sure what the impetus was to change the tone of the characters, but it was certainly palpable.<BR/><BR/>Overall, I was stoked to see the changes to the attraction, and I was glad to see that its original appeal has not been disturbed by the changes.<BR/><BR/>-cjAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12949144985728891812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22576594.post-38959566706961458862007-07-13T21:33:00.000-07:002007-07-13T21:33:00.000-07:00The above sounds like a smug response by someone w...The above sounds like a smug response by someone who DID get his ideas chosen, and knows that they were inferior. Having all the answers does no good if politics control what gets developed. It’s pretty obvious where your loyalties lie. <BR/><BR/>As for the guests, while many may be oblivious to the slow degradation of the parks, many more realize what’s happening. Just because they are dedicated Disney fans doesn’t mean they will just roll over and accept it when they are given inferior attractions. <BR/><BR/>Competition has increased immensely. And often, the creative efforts of other companies have been enhanced by former Imagineers. Disney cannot afford to continue to lose top talent and take shortcuts that improves their competition while weakening their own capabilities.<BR/><BR/>Tens of millions of guests ARE getting the message. While they may not have reached their breaking point yet, they DO see the deterioration, and many are complaining about it. While there is little chance that Disney’s parks will completely collapse in failure, long-term disregard and laxity can result in the loss of enough perceived value that they will no longer be looked at as being worth visiting.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22576594.post-20055441573712385672007-07-01T14:00:00.000-07:002007-07-01T14:00:00.000-07:00Sounds like sour grapes as conveniently packaged b...Sounds like sour grapes as conveniently packaged by a few guys who didn't get their ideas chosen to me.<BR/>If creativity sucked so badly and this one lone idea was all that Disney has been able to come up with over the past few decades, well...it sure hasn't hurt attendance or the company's bottom line, has it?<BR/>If you few crybabies have all the answers, then by all means stop wasting your time on a blog and build this perfect park and resort--the one your bosses won't seem to approve.<BR/>Tens of millions of guests a year don't seem to be getting your message. I'm sure it's just a matter of time before everyone stops going to a Disney park and simply admits you few were right all along--everything since Walt died sucks.<BR/>Or not.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22576594.post-58055268252347093472007-06-08T09:59:00.000-07:002007-06-08T09:59:00.000-07:00I am not sure if anyone is reading this thread any...I am not sure if anyone is reading this thread any longer but as an aside...<BR/><BR/>One of the very nicest things about AK when it first opened, which has sadly been removed, was that there was an AA Iguanadon playing in the river near the banks of Disocvery Island. He was visible from the long gone Discovery RIver Boats as well as from the bridge leading from the Oasis to Discovery Island.<BR/>The premise here of course was that this was the very Dino we brought back with us while riding Dinosaur (then called Countdown to Extinction).<BR/><BR/>That added level of detail, that a ride was expanded beyond it's boundries to interact in unique ways and times with guests is one of the many things that elavated AK above most other parks. Now many if not most of those details have been removed. I believe the internal structure of the AA dino was last seen rottting in the boneyard of DSP movie rtour of all places. If it is still stored somewhere (meaning the one in France was something else) then I wish they would recomission in for use elsewhere in the park. Hell, just have it hanging out in the little trail near the ride...anything is better than just removing such great work to be replaced by nothing.Teevteehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009538411830575506noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22576594.post-3802776037145378102007-06-07T11:03:00.000-07:002007-06-07T11:03:00.000-07:00'Nother remark in regards to exaggeration of thing...'Nother remark in regards to exaggeration of things in here, you got the plot completely mucked up in regards to Dinosaur. It's not even a baby dinosaur we are tasked to find. We're looking for Aladar the Iguanadon to bring it to the future on the basic premise that Seeker has that it would be a grand idea(read: badass idea) to bring a dinosaur back to the present to study, the bonus thing behind it being that Iguanadon was one of the first dinosaurs discovered (but doesn't occur to people who don't know their dinosaurs).<BR/>Just saying there...FigmentJedihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05631797551806455576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22576594.post-54449335567162363442007-05-26T11:54:00.000-07:002007-05-26T11:54:00.000-07:00Maybe, and I agree that a ride shouldn't be forced...Maybe, and I agree that a ride shouldn't be forced into telling a story, but I would consider Splash Mountain one of the very best Diseny attractions; maybe too good for its own good, since so many rides afterwards followed the narrative format.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22576594.post-78948834676243705822007-05-21T19:05:00.000-07:002007-05-21T19:05:00.000-07:00And you've made the point of the article as well. ...And you've made the point of the article as well. Quite simply it's sad that the Disney attractions mentioned have to be tied to ANY forced narrative contrivance. The very best of the Disney attractions knew better; the very finest imagineers and their management teams knew better.Mr Bankshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12952506736745891323noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22576594.post-69855995452073766542007-05-21T18:44:00.000-07:002007-05-21T18:44:00.000-07:00Exactly my point... Alien Encounter was not about ...Exactly my point... Alien Encounter was not about an alien that went missing; it was about an Alien breaking out of a teleporation device and terrorizing the audience. Bean doesn't go missing in Muppet Vision, he runs away (more than half way through the show). Brer rabit is not really missing in Splash Mountain, he is just away, setting out for adventure, and we eventually catch up to him only a few minutes into the ride and join him. These stories are no more about the search for something missing than Lord of The Rings is about the black riders searching for Frodo, or The Matrix is about the Agents searching for Neo, or Star Wars is about the Empire searching for Luke, etc. The heroes have accepted their call to adventure, so it just stands to reason that for the story to continue, the audience must follow. It's a bit of a distortion to suggest that this makes all of the rides mentioned redundant in their themes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22576594.post-3193429329443208252007-05-21T14:09:00.000-07:002007-05-21T14:09:00.000-07:00Not a stretch at all. Nobody went searching for Fr...Not a stretch at all. Nobody went searching for Frodo, Luke Skywalker, Neo or Charles Foster Kane. Nobody was tasked with finding them. Nobody wondered where they went. Characters going somewhere they weren't before doesn't mean they've gone missing.Mr Bankshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12952506736745891323noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22576594.post-83102469546897021822007-05-21T14:01:00.000-07:002007-05-21T14:01:00.000-07:00I usually enjoy the site, but this topic is a bit ...I usually enjoy the site, but this topic is a bit of a stretch, sorry. You can manipulate almost every great story to a "gone missing" theme because in order for the protagonist to embark on their adventure, they have to GO somewhere other than they were before. Frodo Baggins went missing from Hobiton. Luke Skywalker went missing from his home planet, Neo went missing from the Matrix, Citizen Kane went missing from his simple home life. Are you seeing a pattern here? There's enough legitimate beefs to support the fact that Disney needs improvements, there's no need to dig for stuff that doesn't exist.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22576594.post-72044070781204239522007-05-19T19:06:00.000-07:002007-05-19T19:06:00.000-07:00Pariartspaul, Laughingplace.com is also mean-spiri...Pariartspaul, Laughingplace.com is also mean-spirited at its forums. And a blog like this DOES need immediate injections of so-called "starry-eyed optimism"...AND FAST!<BR/><BR/>And Mr. Banks, you folks at this blog DO b*tch and moan a lot and need to get lives, so go get lives!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22576594.post-34084015844655637852007-05-18T19:12:00.000-07:002007-05-18T19:12:00.000-07:00"Nemo!"-giggle giggle sound-"Nemo!""I'm thinking o..."Nemo!"<BR/><BR/>-giggle giggle sound-<BR/><BR/>"Nemo!"<BR/><BR/>"I'm thinking of something pink"<BR/><BR/>"A jellyfish. Nemo!"<BR/><BR/>-giggle giggle sound-<BR/><BR/>"C'mon out Nemo. Fish are friends"<BR/><BR/>"Where's Nemo?"<BR/><BR/>"Your Dad's lookin' for ya"<BR/><BR/>"I found him!"<BR/><BR/><BR/>You've just experienced The Seas with Nemo and Friends. <BR/><BR/>I know WDI is capable of much better.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22576594.post-65365639352240317172007-05-12T17:34:00.000-07:002007-05-12T17:34:00.000-07:00Wasn't the whole idea of the rides for a person to...Wasn't the whole idea of the rides for a person to be in the action or in a movie? Didn't Walt Disney first make movies and took it to the next level, the ride or the attraction? Pirates of the Carribean movie is defeating the purpose.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22576594.post-85647057925480263232007-05-09T23:36:00.000-07:002007-05-09T23:36:00.000-07:00I think that Teevtee hit the nail on the head with...I think that Teevtee hit the nail on the head with his Star Wars analogy. You are exactly right! that is what makes parts 4, 5 and 6 much better than Parts 1,2 and 3. It is also what makes POTC and HM superior to most of the newer rides. I hope that if anyone is listening, that they get rid of movie screens, pre shows, and boring repetitive stories. Just immerse us in a place in time. Take us somewhere and let our imaginations do the rest.blueskyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13481663761338257429noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22576594.post-16127040071409821562007-05-08T13:42:00.000-07:002007-05-08T13:42:00.000-07:00There is one other inherent flaw with a primarily ...There is one other inherent flaw with a primarily narrative-driven (as opposed to visually-driven) plot; namely, guests that do not speak the language the narrative is delivered in will be left completely clueless as to what exactly is going on. If you can tell your story visually, such as my example with Pirates 1.0, you are speaking a universal language that all your guests will understand and appreciate.Adamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05775812570822580384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22576594.post-37061135038259249222007-05-08T08:52:00.000-07:002007-05-08T08:52:00.000-07:00So, as I said I would, I went to Disney-MGM Studio...So, as I said I would, I went to Disney-MGM Studios this weekend, did indeed re-watch Muppet*Vision 3D. I now remember why it had been a while since I watched it - I am not a fan of Waldo, the embodiment of 3D they introduce for the movie. I can see how some people would be, but mixing animation with the puppetry of the Muppets isn't my thing. (Although the Muppets themselves make me laugh every time, and it was empty enough this weekend that I got to walk around and read the contents of the boxes, etc. in the pre-show area for a few more laughs)<BR/><BR/>That said, we also went on a few other rides - The Great Movie Ride, Twilight Zone Tower of Terror and the Backlot Tour (I had never volunteered to be in the show, and figured I might as well) <BR/><BR/>As usual, the story in The Great Movie Ride washed right over me as unimportant. Which is kind of sad, as our guide and Mugsy both did a great job, but I do feel as though the story there interferes with, or at least doesn't contribute to, the pageantry of revisiting some of the all-time classic movies. <BR/><BR/>Tower of Terror, though, I still feel is well served by the pre-show. Even viewing it through the filter of this entry. And, the Backlot Tour. I tried to sit back and experience it through the eyes of those around me, who hadn't been on it as many times - they seemed to be having fun, and I always like this ride, although I must say that the Villains display at the end could use a change. Overall, it was a good day, and I stand by my original feeling - telling this story, even over and over again isn't necessarily a bad thing - when told well, it can be quite rewarding. The problem, at least to me, is when the story is bolted on to attractions that don't need it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22576594.post-57975335208459818992007-05-08T07:51:00.000-07:002007-05-08T07:51:00.000-07:00Great Movie Ride - It's actually old Chicago, but ...Great Movie Ride - It's actually old Chicago, but I'm splitting hairs. Still love your articles.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22576594.post-80479311411758789232007-05-07T11:07:00.000-07:002007-05-07T11:07:00.000-07:00To the above anonymous;Your meanspirited bitching ...To the above anonymous;<BR/><BR/>Your meanspirited bitching and moaning has been duly noted.Mr Bankshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12952506736745891323noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22576594.post-14384351281941993602007-05-07T10:54:00.000-07:002007-05-07T10:54:00.000-07:00I don’t mind comments from an opposing view, but I...I don’t mind comments from an opposing view, but I’m starting to get tired of anonymous comments from people who write to complain about the blog itself. This is all opinion here, and we all have a perfect right to state what we think. If all you are looking for is starry eyed optimism, go to laughingplace or mouseplanet.pariartspaulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14327281259443510085noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22576594.post-31221284481733538912007-05-07T09:40:00.000-07:002007-05-07T09:40:00.000-07:00What Imagineering needs is a good visionary produc...<I>What Imagineering needs is a good visionary producer to move it forward. And not one of the political types it seems to have put in place in the past and currently there.</I><BR/><BR/>I'm no longer convinced that this is the core problem that needs to be solved.<BR/><BR/>Having a "good visionary producer" is only effective when that producer gets adequate support and backing from on high. Without corporate officers and accountaneers willing to accept the producer's visions and invest substantial levels of capital accordingly, the producer's involvement will eventually become unnecessary.<BR/><BR/>Changing out the Glendale political players is only a fraction of the solution. Several Burbank leftovers from the Eisner/Pressler era continue in their hyperfocus on short-term "cost effective" gains at the expense of more substantial, long-term investments. And those long-term investments are vital to the continued health of Imagineering and the Disney theme park family, moving forward.<BR/><BR/>Replacing WDI's executive leadership with those "good visionary producer" types will only be a temporary solution, unless P&R's executive leadership is also replaced with similar professionals who understand and accept those visions.<BR/><BR/>What's the point of having a top flight cardiovascular surgeon perform quadruple bypass surgery if you steadfastly refuse to change your unhealthy lifestyle?judihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15415067631504911897noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22576594.post-50247298840233191262007-05-07T07:48:00.000-07:002007-05-07T07:48:00.000-07:00To those of you who write these Re-Imagineering bl...To those of you who write these Re-Imagineering blogs, you folks don't sound like Imagineers at all. You're more like more of those crazed rabid fanboys/fangirls who have nothing better to do than complain, complain and complain some more about Disney.<BR/><BR/>If you're going to write blogs like this, actually write real suggestions rather than what appear to be mere bitter adn mean-spirited b*tching and moaning typical of Disney blogs and message boards these days.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22576594.post-79701009675631003212007-05-06T14:46:00.000-07:002007-05-06T14:46:00.000-07:00Xander said...“One of the things I really like abo...Xander said...<BR/><BR/>“One of the things I really like about this site is that people here are capable of civilly disagreeing, and having real discussions, rather than arguments.”<BR/><BR/>Me too. I hope everyone will help keep it that way.Tongaroahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01456743904698992536noreply@blogger.com